Could anyone provide some resources & approximate costs for getting titers?
My vet pushed the rabies vaccine & quoted $400 for a titer, as well as using fear tactics & the law to coerce me into the rabies vaccine for my beloved pup.
Definitely look for a holistic vet. Also check out protect the pets.com to see if there’s a vet near you who follows their protocol if you can’t find a genuinely holistic vet. I was lucky for a long time- I had one. Unfortunately he died.
Appreciate your insight and knowledge on this very controversial topic. I’ve had issues with previous vets over their demands for me to get my dogs vaccinated yearly. I’ve always questioned why we had to vaccinate them over and over again. It didn’t make sense. Unfortunately, my homeopathic vet retired and I’ve yet to find another one. I’ll keep looking. Thanks again.
So glad you are doing your research, Shirley! There are still some cities and counties that require rabies yearly, so check out your legal requirements at your State Epidemiology office. And BTW - there are many homeopathic vets who can consult with you via telephone. Here is the association: theavh.org
I just a titer back for rabies and my 19 month old is still protected. But what next? How to deal with authorities and their out of touch requirements?
Just don’t register them. That gives them carte blanche to demand compliance. What they don’t know won’t hurt them.
I registered every dog before now. And every dog I had before now is no longer with me. When I saw how many vaccines my present dog got before I got him, I thought, uh uh, no,, not happening. Just avoid any situations where your dog could get loose or bite somebody.
I think Susan's attitude is clearly about first protecting her dogs, which should be every pet parent's rule! Laws don't necessary reflect what is the most kind, the healthiest or the most up to date on current science or societal knowledge.
I have to agree with Susan - once you are in the system, you are tracked.
Thank you for educating pet parents! I continue to learn so much -- information I wish I'd had my hands on eight years ago when I adopted my first pup. Continue to do what you can to make pets' lives happier and healthy. I am MOST appreciative!
We got one of our cats spayed last year because she was literally going into heat every two weeks and driving my wife crazy. Our vet required a rabies shot. Upon my inquiry, I saw on the package it was a DNA vector shot. I asked for the old style attenuated virus type and our vet said they didn't carry it anymore and didn't know where to find it. I reluctantly agreed to it but have felt guilty about it ever since. Question: how do we find the old style rabies shot? We have another cat we need to spay but really do not want to have her take the DNA vector shot. Thank you!
I am 100% anti-vax. I wasn't before the massive Covid scam, but I've thoroughly researched the topic using the dialectical method (considering the stance of both side of the debate) and I've firmly come down on the side of Truth. There's a huge wake up taking place and there will be more and more people like me who will demand alternatives. For now, I have switched to a holistic vet. Makes no sense to me that holistic vets still administer poison shots, but such is the current twisted world we live in. Question is: How the heck do you have pets without having them jabbed?
That is a super great question!! It used to be pretty easy to find animals not jabbed and I think you can on Craigs List in some communities, but not everywhere. For example, our new dog Keira (above) came after a super long search here where we live - for months!! I don't buy pure bred dogs or really any dog (except adoption fees) because I have had to euthanize too many wonderful dogs in my former life as a vet.
I had to go to my home town where a friend who runs a shelter let me adopt her, without spaying, but she is totally vaxed, as you probably read. So, even I, as a vet couldn't get a dog unvaxed.
It is horrible, horrible what is happening and the only way to stop this is to just say no. Start with your vets, then tell everyone you know what is happening and then keep doing that!
It's really worse than having unvaxed kids because of the rabies laws.
Thanks. This is really good information. Unfortunately a vet gave our little puppy an extra jab they did not need which was frustrating as we had specified that we wanted the rabies only, but we couldn't go in to clinic (Covid rules at the time) so had to let our pup be taken away, so we had no control on what ensued. We were reimbursed for the cost, but that was not what we were mad about. We felt violated by that incident.
However, we just went to get flea meds from a different vet recently (we fired the first one!) as we had a horrible flea infestation which included our other pet, but the vet refused to see our dog unless they had a rabies booster jab. We had the initial jab at about 6 months but it has been 1.5 yrs since then. I was very angry about this dumb rule but we went ahead as desperate about the flea situation as we going on a trip. Wish I had seen your article first and asked for the titers to prove immunity. And the vet says she needs another one in a year as we waited too long after the first for the first booster - all rubbish! She has had an inflamed eye (watery) since the jab/flea med - not sure which caused it.
A neighbor told me they took their dog to get the Lyme jab recently and really regrets it as their dog was very ill afterwards and not eating. We do have Lyme ticks in our area but I tend to avoid taking my dog on the trails during the peak tick season.
OMG, Jackeroo! I'm so, so sorry you had to go through this. I can't tell you how many times I heard of this exact situation over the yrs in medicine, but it was much worse during Covid - complete violation of the animal and your trust in the vet clinic. And now YOU have to deal with the fall out, which could be an exacerbation of any medical issues.
This is what I call the revolving door of vet medicine - they create the illness, then you come back to them for the treatment.
All of what you describe is the vaccine induced illness coined by a homeopathic MD almost 200 yrs ago - called Vaccinosis. I believe it's about 90% of what I treat. Sadly. Which is why I study and write these long blogs.
But, remember - they work for YOU!! You can call and tell them you want and then look for another vet, as Susan Israel says. BTW- There are other options - pls see the blog I did a few weeks ago on Natural Solutions with no vet visit required!!
We have experienced issues with other vets too. When she was a puppy she had a bout of bloody diarrhea and vomiting all day so we took her to an emergency place that night as it kept continuing. We were fleeced - they tested her for parvo which was negative but then I asked how effective the test was and got an honest answer - not very! He told me the jabs for parvo aren't completely effective either - so great - why do it. Then they wanted to do the whole works (X-rays) to figure out if she swallowed something - of course I was completely clueless as this was my first dog and I didn't know what was wrong. They ended up just injecting saline under the skin for dehydration, and messed up, so after the second try, the water all came out the first puncture! We walked out very much poorer, with nothing other than probiotics, and the saline solution that didn't really work. She got better on her own. This happened a second time again about a year later and we just took care of her ourselves and she was fine.
OMG! Your stories are almost unbelievable, but I hear them all too often. And you have had enough of them to last forever! I'm so glad you are wiser, but unfortunately, you might be more cynical too. My profession used to be one of the few in medicine that had fantastic integrity. But, not any longer.
So glad you are now strong and will defend your animals always!!
Thanks for your kind words. We had been trying all sorts of other remedies for the flea infestation but none of them really helped. We used the herbal sprays, the herbal supplement, washing the dog, combing the rabbit, on and on every day - dog is eating mostly raw foods and fresh veggies/fruits now. My husband was washing her frequently and getting tons of them off each time, and we were vacuuming every other day and removed our carpets, and used the dryer to dry the blankets/pet beds and it was endless. The interesting thing is that the flea medication works really well for the dog and rabbit seems mostly free now, but then the fleas now jump off the dog and bite me instead!
You are so right, Susan Israel, 'get a new vet', but first get this education under your belt!!! That is because even vets with the 'holistic' shingle on their signage still vaccinate and vaccinate heavily. It's sad to me they also have not done enough research to understand the toxicants the downstream diseases after vaccinations. Their fears of the diseases make them agree to vaccines, and too many of them.
We homeopaths see the world differently, have homeopathic preparations for protection and also have followed vaccinosis for 200 years - our perspective if quite different from most vets that now are 'holistic'. Just ask the new vet their policies on vaccines, titers, etc and you will find the right vet!
This is why I am saving up for a homeopathic consult- the safest way for us to fly. So many vets misuse that holistic logo. I wanted to just get blood test for my dog because I suspect he could be hypothyroid but it’s near impossible without subjecting him to other nonsense. He’s eating great and poop and pee are perfect and I want to avoid anything that could mess him up- antibiotics for those ears and eyes, ohmygosh! I know you understand
Yes, that is the whole point I was making, our repeated use of the vaccines so early in life is a big umbrella to cover any age where maternal antibodies will not 'interfere' with the vaccine.
BTW - that is an odd way of saying it isn't it: the maternal antibodies 'interfere'?? We should be grateful the pups/kittens have maternal antibodies and focus on that protection instead of blanket protocols that harm.
This is along the lines of what happened in the late 1950's (about 1959) when vets started the yearly vaccinations for distemper. Yes, distemper was a problematic and horrible acute disease and there was less vaccinating then. But, instead of doing titers or re-looking at the information/science, the industry decided to recommend yearly vaccinations. They decided titers were too expensive and people wouldn't agree to do them, so it was easier to have everyone come in yearly. No choices. No informed consent. No mandates, but the mindset was forever changed:
1. vaccines are not harmful, only protective
2. vaccines must be done yearly.
And now those policies are ingrained in our culture here in the US and we and our animals are bearing the burden of these arcane decisions.
Yes, Is the Curve Flat yet - this is what I was eluding to when I mentioned the memory cells that are not circulating in the blood, can't be measured, but are in the storage organs and tissues - ready to fight the battles.
The titers tell us one part of the immune system is turned on, now. Not tomorrow or next week, but right now. And sometimes that is what you need to prove to someone your dog has an active immune system.
I have a lot more to say about this, but not here---soon, in another blog! Thank you so much for your comments!
Could anyone provide some resources & approximate costs for getting titers?
My vet pushed the rabies vaccine & quoted $400 for a titer, as well as using fear tactics & the law to coerce me into the rabies vaccine for my beloved pup.
Hemopet.org is the most reasonable cost, but you have to have your vet draw the blood and spin it down for just serum.
Kansas State University: https://ksvdl.org/laboratories/rabies-laboratory/ but your vet has to submit the serum.
Auburn University: except for pet travel - https://www.vetmed.auburn.edu/academic-departments/dept-of-pathobiology/diagnostic-services/serology-virology/
Thank you!
Definitely look for a holistic vet. Also check out protect the pets.com to see if there’s a vet near you who follows their protocol if you can’t find a genuinely holistic vet. I was lucky for a long time- I had one. Unfortunately he died.
Get a new vet!
Since circa 2002 I have sent mine to Hemopet in CA. Naturally you need to pay your vet for the blood draw and then just ship via USPS to Hemopet. Here is a link. https://labordatenbank.com/hemopet/samples/hemopet_form
Yes! They send the rabies test to Kansas State University, which is really the primary lab in the country for rabies titers.
Appreciate your insight and knowledge on this very controversial topic. I’ve had issues with previous vets over their demands for me to get my dogs vaccinated yearly. I’ve always questioned why we had to vaccinate them over and over again. It didn’t make sense. Unfortunately, my homeopathic vet retired and I’ve yet to find another one. I’ll keep looking. Thanks again.
So glad you are doing your research, Shirley! There are still some cities and counties that require rabies yearly, so check out your legal requirements at your State Epidemiology office. And BTW - there are many homeopathic vets who can consult with you via telephone. Here is the association: theavh.org
I just a titer back for rabies and my 19 month old is still protected. But what next? How to deal with authorities and their out of touch requirements?
Just don’t register them. That gives them carte blanche to demand compliance. What they don’t know won’t hurt them.
I registered every dog before now. And every dog I had before now is no longer with me. When I saw how many vaccines my present dog got before I got him, I thought, uh uh, no,, not happening. Just avoid any situations where your dog could get loose or bite somebody.
I think Susan's attitude is clearly about first protecting her dogs, which should be every pet parent's rule! Laws don't necessary reflect what is the most kind, the healthiest or the most up to date on current science or societal knowledge.
I have to agree with Susan - once you are in the system, you are tracked.
Thank you for educating pet parents! I continue to learn so much -- information I wish I'd had my hands on eight years ago when I adopted my first pup. Continue to do what you can to make pets' lives happier and healthy. I am MOST appreciative!
We got one of our cats spayed last year because she was literally going into heat every two weeks and driving my wife crazy. Our vet required a rabies shot. Upon my inquiry, I saw on the package it was a DNA vector shot. I asked for the old style attenuated virus type and our vet said they didn't carry it anymore and didn't know where to find it. I reluctantly agreed to it but have felt guilty about it ever since. Question: how do we find the old style rabies shot? We have another cat we need to spay but really do not want to have her take the DNA vector shot. Thank you!
I am 100% anti-vax. I wasn't before the massive Covid scam, but I've thoroughly researched the topic using the dialectical method (considering the stance of both side of the debate) and I've firmly come down on the side of Truth. There's a huge wake up taking place and there will be more and more people like me who will demand alternatives. For now, I have switched to a holistic vet. Makes no sense to me that holistic vets still administer poison shots, but such is the current twisted world we live in. Question is: How the heck do you have pets without having them jabbed?
That is a super great question!! It used to be pretty easy to find animals not jabbed and I think you can on Craigs List in some communities, but not everywhere. For example, our new dog Keira (above) came after a super long search here where we live - for months!! I don't buy pure bred dogs or really any dog (except adoption fees) because I have had to euthanize too many wonderful dogs in my former life as a vet.
I had to go to my home town where a friend who runs a shelter let me adopt her, without spaying, but she is totally vaxed, as you probably read. So, even I, as a vet couldn't get a dog unvaxed.
It is horrible, horrible what is happening and the only way to stop this is to just say no. Start with your vets, then tell everyone you know what is happening and then keep doing that!
It's really worse than having unvaxed kids because of the rabies laws.
Thanks. This is really good information. Unfortunately a vet gave our little puppy an extra jab they did not need which was frustrating as we had specified that we wanted the rabies only, but we couldn't go in to clinic (Covid rules at the time) so had to let our pup be taken away, so we had no control on what ensued. We were reimbursed for the cost, but that was not what we were mad about. We felt violated by that incident.
However, we just went to get flea meds from a different vet recently (we fired the first one!) as we had a horrible flea infestation which included our other pet, but the vet refused to see our dog unless they had a rabies booster jab. We had the initial jab at about 6 months but it has been 1.5 yrs since then. I was very angry about this dumb rule but we went ahead as desperate about the flea situation as we going on a trip. Wish I had seen your article first and asked for the titers to prove immunity. And the vet says she needs another one in a year as we waited too long after the first for the first booster - all rubbish! She has had an inflamed eye (watery) since the jab/flea med - not sure which caused it.
A neighbor told me they took their dog to get the Lyme jab recently and really regrets it as their dog was very ill afterwards and not eating. We do have Lyme ticks in our area but I tend to avoid taking my dog on the trails during the peak tick season.
OMG, Jackeroo! I'm so, so sorry you had to go through this. I can't tell you how many times I heard of this exact situation over the yrs in medicine, but it was much worse during Covid - complete violation of the animal and your trust in the vet clinic. And now YOU have to deal with the fall out, which could be an exacerbation of any medical issues.
This is what I call the revolving door of vet medicine - they create the illness, then you come back to them for the treatment.
All of what you describe is the vaccine induced illness coined by a homeopathic MD almost 200 yrs ago - called Vaccinosis. I believe it's about 90% of what I treat. Sadly. Which is why I study and write these long blogs.
But, remember - they work for YOU!! You can call and tell them you want and then look for another vet, as Susan Israel says. BTW- There are other options - pls see the blog I did a few weeks ago on Natural Solutions with no vet visit required!!
We have experienced issues with other vets too. When she was a puppy she had a bout of bloody diarrhea and vomiting all day so we took her to an emergency place that night as it kept continuing. We were fleeced - they tested her for parvo which was negative but then I asked how effective the test was and got an honest answer - not very! He told me the jabs for parvo aren't completely effective either - so great - why do it. Then they wanted to do the whole works (X-rays) to figure out if she swallowed something - of course I was completely clueless as this was my first dog and I didn't know what was wrong. They ended up just injecting saline under the skin for dehydration, and messed up, so after the second try, the water all came out the first puncture! We walked out very much poorer, with nothing other than probiotics, and the saline solution that didn't really work. She got better on her own. This happened a second time again about a year later and we just took care of her ourselves and she was fine.
OMG! Your stories are almost unbelievable, but I hear them all too often. And you have had enough of them to last forever! I'm so glad you are wiser, but unfortunately, you might be more cynical too. My profession used to be one of the few in medicine that had fantastic integrity. But, not any longer.
So glad you are now strong and will defend your animals always!!
Thanks for your kind words. We had been trying all sorts of other remedies for the flea infestation but none of them really helped. We used the herbal sprays, the herbal supplement, washing the dog, combing the rabbit, on and on every day - dog is eating mostly raw foods and fresh veggies/fruits now. My husband was washing her frequently and getting tons of them off each time, and we were vacuuming every other day and removed our carpets, and used the dryer to dry the blankets/pet beds and it was endless. The interesting thing is that the flea medication works really well for the dog and rabbit seems mostly free now, but then the fleas now jump off the dog and bite me instead!
The diet is critical to stopping fleas, so maybe you change your diet too? Just kidding!
New vet!
You are so right, Susan Israel, 'get a new vet', but first get this education under your belt!!! That is because even vets with the 'holistic' shingle on their signage still vaccinate and vaccinate heavily. It's sad to me they also have not done enough research to understand the toxicants the downstream diseases after vaccinations. Their fears of the diseases make them agree to vaccines, and too many of them.
We homeopaths see the world differently, have homeopathic preparations for protection and also have followed vaccinosis for 200 years - our perspective if quite different from most vets that now are 'holistic'. Just ask the new vet their policies on vaccines, titers, etc and you will find the right vet!
This is why I am saving up for a homeopathic consult- the safest way for us to fly. So many vets misuse that holistic logo. I wanted to just get blood test for my dog because I suspect he could be hypothyroid but it’s near impossible without subjecting him to other nonsense. He’s eating great and poop and pee are perfect and I want to avoid anything that could mess him up- antibiotics for those ears and eyes, ohmygosh! I know you understand
Get a house call vet to come to your house - you can avoid a lot of that nonsense - even if it costs more.
Yes, that is the whole point I was making, our repeated use of the vaccines so early in life is a big umbrella to cover any age where maternal antibodies will not 'interfere' with the vaccine.
BTW - that is an odd way of saying it isn't it: the maternal antibodies 'interfere'?? We should be grateful the pups/kittens have maternal antibodies and focus on that protection instead of blanket protocols that harm.
This is along the lines of what happened in the late 1950's (about 1959) when vets started the yearly vaccinations for distemper. Yes, distemper was a problematic and horrible acute disease and there was less vaccinating then. But, instead of doing titers or re-looking at the information/science, the industry decided to recommend yearly vaccinations. They decided titers were too expensive and people wouldn't agree to do them, so it was easier to have everyone come in yearly. No choices. No informed consent. No mandates, but the mindset was forever changed:
1. vaccines are not harmful, only protective
2. vaccines must be done yearly.
And now those policies are ingrained in our culture here in the US and we and our animals are bearing the burden of these arcane decisions.
Yes, Is the Curve Flat yet - this is what I was eluding to when I mentioned the memory cells that are not circulating in the blood, can't be measured, but are in the storage organs and tissues - ready to fight the battles.
The titers tell us one part of the immune system is turned on, now. Not tomorrow or next week, but right now. And sometimes that is what you need to prove to someone your dog has an active immune system.
I have a lot more to say about this, but not here---soon, in another blog! Thank you so much for your comments!